Help Support Bigcoupe.com

"M" #464 in UK.

Post in this forum for cars and/or parts for sale.

Moderators: ron, bfons, GRNSHRK

Post Reply
ron
Platinum Member
Platinum Member
Posts: 4524
Joined: Sat Jul 10, 2004 11:35 am
Location: South Wales U.K.

"M" #464 in UK.

Post by ron » Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:37 am

They are ALWAYS rustier than you thought!!!!!!
'85 M #228
'87 M #367
'88 High line.
'80 735i
'10 X5

Pod
Platinum Member
Platinum Member
Posts: 4187
Joined: Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:32 pm
Location: usually in the barn, Kent, England.

Re: "M" #464 in UK.

Post by Pod » Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:31 am

I don't recognise this car, but has it been discussed on the forum before?

Bid to £12,000 so far with nine and a half days to go! Mileage high at 228k, no mention of timing chain work, but surely this must have been done at least once - and very probably will need doing again very soon :-k .

I couldn't find the other advert the seller refers to, so no idea of the reserve (which has not been met).

I'm watching this one (as, no doubt, will other UK M635CSi owners) with great interest!

User avatar
Mark Shutt
Bigcoupe 100 Post club
Posts: 214
Joined: Sat Oct 17, 2015 2:58 pm
Location: Doncaster UK

Re: "M" #464 in UK.

Post by Mark Shutt » Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:24 pm

had some rust issues in past but a very nice looking car in that colour and wheels.
1988 635csi Auto Highline, Royal blue with Lotus white.
viewtopic.php?f=25&t=26461&p=189478#p189478

Pod
Platinum Member
Platinum Member
Posts: 4187
Joined: Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:32 pm
Location: usually in the barn, Kent, England.

Re: "M" #464 in UK.

Post by Pod » Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:35 am

Bid to £20,500 so far with over six days to go. Reserve not met! However, it's a "private listing" so impossible to see exactly what the bidding pattern is and who is bidding. An auction to avoid, in my considered opinion :-k

User avatar
MVX11V
Posts: 34
Joined: Tue May 30, 2017 11:53 am
Location: East Anglia, UK

Re: "M" #464 in UK.

Post by MVX11V » Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:01 pm

Vehicle make BMW Vehicle model M635 Date first used 17 January 1989 Fuel type Petrol Colour Grey

MOT history of this vehicle

Test date 9 March 2017 Expiry date 8 March 2018 Test Result Pass Odometer reading 228,083 miles MOT test number 1791 3846 1112

Advisory notice item(s)

brake pad warning light on

Test date 27 February 2017 Test Result Fail Odometer reading 228,068 miles MOT test number 6627 7439 2149 Reason(s) for failure

Nearside Stop lamp not working (1.2.1 b)
Offside Stop lamp not working (1.2.1 b)
Nearside Rear position lamp(s) not working (1.1.A.3 b)
Nearside Headlamp aim too low (1.8 )
Offside Headlamp aim too low (1.8 )
Exhaust emissions hydrocarbon content excessive limit 1200 actual 1627 (7.3.B.1 b)
passengers seat insecure (6.2.A.1)


Test date 15 September 2011 Test Result Fail Odometer reading 228,046 miles MOT test number 8653 5835 1291 Reason(s) for failure


Nearside Headlamp aim too low and too far to the left. (1.8 )
Offside Headlamp aim too low (1.8 )
Front Exhaust system not adequately supported (7.1.1 )
Nearside Front Brake hose twisted (found during steering lock to lock check) (2.2.D.2b )
Offside Front Brake hose twisted (found during steering lock to lock check) (2.2.D.2b )
Nearside Seat belt anchorage prescribed area is excessively corroded (5.2.6 )
Offside Seat belt anchorage prescribed area is excessively corroded (5.2.6 )
Offside Rear Suspension component mounting prescribed area is excessively corroded (2.4.A.3 )
Nearside Rear Suspension component mounting prescribed area is excessively corroded (2.4.A.3 )
Offside Front Suspension component mounting prescribed area is excessively corroded (2.4.A.3 )

Advisory notice item(s)

brake pad light on on dash.
front and rear brake pipes rusty.


Test date 25 November 2009 Expiry date 24 November 2010 Test Result Pass Odometer reading 227,341 miles MOT test number 2500 7912 9344

Test date 6 August 2009 Test Result Fail Odometer reading 227,285 miles MOT test number 9909 3891 9209 Reason(s) for failure

Headlamp aim too low (1.8 )
Offside Rear fog lamp not working (1.3.2b )
Tyre not fitted in accordance with side wall instructions (4.1.D.1f )
Wheel bolt(s) missing (4.2.A.1e )

Advisory notice item(s)

Nearside Seat belt anchorage prescribed area is corroded but not considered excessive (5.2.6 )
Fuel lines from front to rear badly corroded
Drivers floor pan holed by corrosion

Test date 25 June 2008 Expiry date 24 June 2009 Test Result Pass Odometer reading 226,894 miles MOT test number 3408 1717 8160

Advisory notice item(s)

various brake pipes starting to corrode
nearside & offside floor to sills starting to corrode
nearside rear sill & under sill starting to corrode
offside floor starting to corrode
nearside rear wheel arch starting to corrode

Test date 4 June 2007 Expiry date 3 June 2008 Test Result Pass Odometer reading 224,102 miles MOT test number 2417 1525 7110

Test date 3 June 2006 Expiry date 2 June 2007 Test Result Pass Odometer reading 222,782 miles MOT test number 2436 2455 6133

Test date 25 May 2006 Test Result Fail Odometer reading 222,760 miles MOT test number 7506 1524 6145 Reason(s) for failure

Offside Headlamp not in good working order adversely affecting beam image (1.2.4a )
Nearside Headlamp not in good working order adversely affecting beam image (1.2.4a )
Nearside Steering arm has relative movement at its fixings (2.2.B.1h )
Offside Front Tyre has a lump, caused by separation or partial failure of its structure (4.1.D.1b )
Nearside Front Front wheel bearing has excessive play (2.5.A.3c )
Suspension arm has excessive play in a pin/bush (2.4.G.2 )
Front front brake application uneven (3.7.B.2 )
Exhaust emissions carbon monoxide content excessive (7.3.B.1a )
Exhaust emissions hydrocarbon content excessive (7.3.B.1b )
Brakes imbalanced across an axle (3.7.B.5b )

Advisory notice item(s)

Offside Front Tyre worn close to the legal limit (4.1.E.1)
O/S/F FOG LAMP CRACKED BOTH FRONT FOG LAMPS INNOP
N/S INDICATOR CRACKED NOT SHOWING WHITE LIGHT
WIPERS AND WASHERS POOR
FRONT NUMBER PLATE DISCOLOURED
'HAUNTED :evil: ' and playworn 1986 635 Daily.

Pod
Platinum Member
Platinum Member
Posts: 4187
Joined: Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:32 pm
Location: usually in the barn, Kent, England.

Re: "M" #464 in UK.

Post by Pod » Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:18 pm

Well, even more reason to steer clear!

Pod
Platinum Member
Platinum Member
Posts: 4187
Joined: Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:32 pm
Location: usually in the barn, Kent, England.

Re: "M" #464 in UK.

Post by Pod » Thu Jul 27, 2017 4:39 pm

Well, it was unsold at £21,100 (with a rather suspicious £24k bid removed???). Re-listed and currently bid to about £5k with a £20k bid removed (just to try and discover the reserve, I imagine).

I don't know why some sellers make their auction "private" as it makes it appear there is something awry. Quite possibly the seller hasn't thought it through, but with ebay disguising bidders' identities these days there is absolutely no reason to do this. I certainly would not bid upon such an item, would you?

User avatar
Soperman
Bigcoupe 100 Post club
Posts: 453
Joined: Tue Nov 25, 2014 2:44 pm
Location: London, UK

Re: "M" #464 in UK.

Post by Soperman » Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:39 am

Pod wrote:Bid to £12,000 so far with nine and a half days to go! Mileage high at 228k, no mention of timing chain work, but surely this must have been done at least once - and very probably will need doing again very soon.
Vendor states timing chain was changed at 120k miles.
E24 M635CSi

Pod
Platinum Member
Platinum Member
Posts: 4187
Joined: Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:32 pm
Location: usually in the barn, Kent, England.

Re: "M" #464 in UK.

Post by Pod » Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:57 am

Soperman wrote:
Pod wrote:Bid to £12,000 so far with nine and a half days to go! Mileage high at 228k, no mention of timing chain work, but surely this must have been done at least once - and very probably will need doing again very soon.
Vendor states timing chain was changed at 120k miles.
He could have noted that in the listing - but then any interested bidder would have known it needed doing again (as I suspected!) :wink:

User avatar
Soperman
Bigcoupe 100 Post club
Posts: 453
Joined: Tue Nov 25, 2014 2:44 pm
Location: London, UK

Re: "M" #464 in UK.

Post by Soperman » Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:59 am

The second eBay auction on this car has ended. Bids of up to £18,200 this time, but of course the reserve was not met.
E24 M635CSi

Pod
Platinum Member
Platinum Member
Posts: 4187
Joined: Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:32 pm
Location: usually in the barn, Kent, England.

Re: "M" #464 in UK.

Post by Pod » Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:33 pm

Back on ebay @ £14,995 with no reserve. This is more like it IMO. I'm sure it will (should?) sell this time!

Still no mention of the timing chain work though :wink:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMW-M635CSi-C ... 1438.l2649

User avatar
Soperman
Bigcoupe 100 Post club
Posts: 453
Joined: Tue Nov 25, 2014 2:44 pm
Location: London, UK

Re: "M" #464 in UK.

Post by Soperman » Sun Oct 08, 2017 7:42 pm

Sold for £15k. Interestingly, with seemingly minimal interest and bidding activity.
E24 M635CSi

User avatar
Soperman
Bigcoupe 100 Post club
Posts: 453
Joined: Tue Nov 25, 2014 2:44 pm
Location: London, UK

Re: "M" #464 in UK.

Post by Soperman » Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:48 am

#464 is available once again at a forthcoming Barons Auction on December 11th, with a guide price of £11k - £14k


Doesn't appear to have been used much since it last surfaced.

https://www.barons-auctions.com/view-lo ... w-m635-csi
E24 M635CSi

Pod
Platinum Member
Platinum Member
Posts: 4187
Joined: Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:32 pm
Location: usually in the barn, Kent, England.

Re: "M" #464 in UK.

Post by Pod » Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:46 am

I don't think it sold last time as the number of owners appears to still be four. No doubt the auctions were being "manipulated" at the time and the last one didn't flush out a genuine buyer!

I'll probably drive over next Monday to view the car.

Pod
Platinum Member
Platinum Member
Posts: 4187
Joined: Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:32 pm
Location: usually in the barn, Kent, England.

Re: "M" #464 in UK.

Post by Pod » Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:54 am

Well, it made £18,000 + commission £2,160 = £20,160.

I attended the auction and was going to bid -but not at that level! It was interesting that it was knocked down to an internet bidder very quickly with bid increments at £1,000 per time! Put that in comparison with other lots which painfully crept up at £100 per bid - many of which didn't reach reserve!

So it goes to prove that there is a very strong market for the M635CSi. \:D/

As far as the car was concerned, it was well presented, if rather dirty. It had had a recent re-paint and didn't look to me as if was a "windows out" job. There was significant recent underseal over the whole of the car, so it is difficult to say how well it had been repaired. There were small things which indicated to me that it had been done on the cheap, such as missing covering plates on both front wings. Rust bubbling around the sunroof, especially on the nearside had not been addressed and it looked to me as if it had just been painted over. I was aware that the MOT had been done exactly three months prior to the sale date which somewhat worried me :wink:

For me, it would have been a DD, not an investment and with the high mileage, I doubt if it can be turned around in a few days and offered for £30K+........................but who knows?

Watch this space.

User avatar
Soperman
Bigcoupe 100 Post club
Posts: 453
Joined: Tue Nov 25, 2014 2:44 pm
Location: London, UK

Re: "M" #464 in UK.

Post by Soperman » Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:47 pm

#464 (F973 DFR) is back on eBay.....

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMW-M635CSi/ ... SwGL5fgjLC
E24 M635CSi

Pod
Platinum Member
Platinum Member
Posts: 4187
Joined: Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:32 pm
Location: usually in the barn, Kent, England.

Re: "M" #464 in UK.

Post by Pod » Sun Oct 11, 2020 5:46 pm

I saw it a few minutes ago. Glad to hear you’ve worked out which one it is! Now I’m wondering...........But at that price is it too good to be true?

plip1953
Bigcoupe 100 Post club
Posts: 280
Joined: Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:15 pm
Location: Leeds
Contact:

Re: "M" #464 in UK.

Post by plip1953 » Mon Oct 12, 2020 6:37 am

The ad says the seller has set a "realistic reserve" and yet it's down as a "classified ad" so no bidding. Something isn't quite right!
Phil
__________________________

1988 Highline 635 CSi

Pod
Platinum Member
Platinum Member
Posts: 4187
Joined: Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:32 pm
Location: usually in the barn, Kent, England.

Re: "M" #464 in UK.

Post by Pod » Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:43 am

plip1953 wrote:
Mon Oct 12, 2020 6:37 am
The ad says the seller has set a "realistic reserve" and yet it's down as a "classified ad" so no bidding. Something isn't quite right!
If you read the thread, you’ll see that I was following this car with interest and took the time to attend the auction and go through the rigmarole of registration as a bidder. I had previously spoken to Barons who opined that the “right price” was no more than £14k and that I would probably get it for less as there had been very little interest in the car.

You will also note that there had been several “sales” on eBay which had not completed.

I must admit that I was piqued when the bidding shot up so fast (internet) that I felt unable to even raise my hand to make a bid. The car was knocked down very quickly indeed - probably in less than a minute and as I said, I was surprised that the bid increments were so large.

Well, now after examining the “new” eBay photos, One can see that they are identical to the Barons examples. This strongly suggests to me that the vendor is the same individual who was selling the car back in 2017/18. So what happened? Did the Barons sale fall through? If so, why? I can only surmise that someone went to a great amount of trouble (again) to ramp the price up. It’s not easy to pull the wool over an auction house’s eyes as they need a great deal of information as well as a financial commitment before they’ll allow you to bid.

I’d bet a pound to a penny that if you turned up at the vendor’s premises with the sum of £7995, you wouldn’t be leaving with that car! Is there anybody living locally with an hour to spare who wishes to give it a try???

You never know, I may be totally wrong and you may nab the bargain of the decade 😉

olympia57
Platinum Member
Platinum Member
Posts: 1328
Joined: Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:47 pm
Location: Ireland

Re: "M" #464 in UK.

Post by olympia57 » Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:20 am

I seen that too .
There have been a number of cars on Ebay recently advertised for a fraction of their "true" market value .
That is just a deceitful advert and one that would make me avoid the vendor like dogshit on the pavement .
1981 635 series 1

User avatar
sharkfan
Platinum Member
Platinum Member
Posts: 2148
Joined: Tue Sep 28, 2004 3:14 pm
Location: Guildford, U.K.

Re: "M" #464 in UK.

Post by sharkfan » Thu Oct 15, 2020 6:57 pm

Advert gone... :|
2001 Alpina B10 V8 Touring (1 of 12 rhd)
1997 Alpina B12 5.7 L (1 of 2 rhd)
1995 Alpina B10 4.6 Touring (1 of 1 rhd)
1985 BMW M635CSi (1 of 524 rhd)
1982 BMW 635CSiA (1 of 100's left from the 1000's made and still valiantly fighting against a rusty grave)

Pod
Platinum Member
Platinum Member
Posts: 4187
Joined: Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:32 pm
Location: usually in the barn, Kent, England.

Re: "M" #464 in UK.

Post by Pod » Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:23 am

Solved!

Since the seller had another fifty or so cars for sale and the photos were obviously lifted from an old auction, one can only surmise that a seller’s account was hacked and this was a fraudulent listing, hence the reason eBay obliterated it.

Now it all makes sense (to me at least!)

JAYDUBYA
Posts: 2
Joined: Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:11 pm
Location: UK

Re: "M" #464 in UK.

Post by JAYDUBYA » Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:48 pm

Hello folks. I’ve just joined bigcoupe.com

I’m the owner of #464 in the UK and bought it back in December 2018. I must’ve missed the eBay post last year but certainly a fraud.

Pod
Platinum Member
Platinum Member
Posts: 4187
Joined: Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:32 pm
Location: usually in the barn, Kent, England.

Re: "M" #464 in UK.

Post by Pod » Sun Feb 21, 2021 7:45 am

JAYDUBYA wrote:
Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:48 pm
Hello folks. I’ve just joined bigcoupe.com

I’m the owner of #464 in the UK and bought it back in December 2018. I must’ve missed the eBay post last year but certainly a fraud.
Welcome to the forum! So you bought it at the Barons auction? Were you the internet bidder and if so, had you viewed the car before bidding?
Last edited by Pod on Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:42 pm, edited 1 time in total.

JAYDUBYA
Posts: 2
Joined: Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:11 pm
Location: UK

Re: "M" #464 in UK.

Post by JAYDUBYA » Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:57 am

Yes, I bid online and was unable to view the car beforehand so knew I was taking a plunge. I’d wanted a Highline and love the dolphin grey with grey interior. Knew it would need some money to get it in order - all the mechanicals have been gone through and the leather on the dash was redone. It runs a treat. Bodywork is good having had some work done previously and I’ll get the roof done sometime this year. Being #464 it was just short of the Motorsport Editions given it was been built in September ‘88. One thing intrigues me - why did BMW decide to change the positioning of the electric seats from the centre console to the seat base so late in its production cycle?

Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 15 guests